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6 hours ago
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More Impossible RR News

Britain
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Somebody is going need to pump some serious cash into the gorge area. But then again it will be cool to go in and see a load of Tacomas scattered about. smile
6 hours ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

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dsefcik wrote:
Nice kit fox, was towards the end of day?

Thanks, Early morning shot. Taken about 1/4 mile out of the swamp from Carrizo Creek . Seen a lot of wildlife in the area which I haven't noticed before. May go tag Leckie early morning, get up on the cliffs southside and wait to see what moves about.
edited by Britain on 1/19/2018
8 hours ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

ziphius
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Nice fox!
9 hours ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

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Nice kit fox, was towards the end of day?
19 hours ago
Topic:
Red Dawn sort of

ziphius
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Topic: Red Dawn sort of
Fun!
21 hours ago
Topic:
Red Dawn sort of

Britain
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Topic: Red Dawn sort of
Heard some helicopter noise, the Marines were playing in the badlands. Once the saw me the took off over towards South Mesa. Was pretty fun.
21 hours ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

Britain
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Went back in today. Didnt find any mines geology is a lot of that mud cave stuff.
23 hours ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
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BTY I did find a path up through the badland to south mesa. Theres a pole or something on the top. I think its a marker for the way. For me it opens up South mesa and Red Canyon beyond.
1 days ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

tommy750
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Not a geologist, but doesn't look like the most promising prospect!
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

tommy750
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DHeuschele wrote:
I saw a lantern last year that had maybe 20 dead lizards in it (I do not think I took a picture). Apparently the lizards had no problem finding their way into it but could not find their way out.
I did a 12 day backpack in NM in late summer. One of the boys found a spear head that was in similar shape to that arrow head (both are in near the shape at the time of the creation). I did shoot a photo of the spear head as it was special because I have not personally found a spear head and it was in great condition. You found a very nice arrow head.


Those darn predator traps! Have rescued a couple snakes and lizards from some in the past. Finding points these days is always nice since most have already walked away. Spear points/darts are an especially nice find.
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

DHeuschele
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I saw a lantern last year that had maybe 20 dead lizards in it (I do not think I took a picture). Apparently the lizards had no problem finding their way into it but could not find their way out.
I did a 12 day backpack in NM in late summer. One of the boys found a spear head that was in similar shape to that arrow head (both are in near the shape at the time of the creation). I did shoot a photo of the spear head as it was special because I have not personally found a spear head and it was in great condition. You found a very nice arrow head.
1 days ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

Britain
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rockhopper wrote:
Looks like a claim marker. You see them all over the south west deserts out in the middle of nowhere.

Yes most likely is but I'm hoping for a zip line smile
1 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

MarkG
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Thanks Jim. That area might end up being the spot though I was hoping to find something a bit more east. But then you run into the Boy Scout property (as I discovered last weekend). Wonder if they ever permit hikers to cross over to get to the state park? Maybe I will give them a call to see!
1 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

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Looks like a great trip.
1 days ago
Topic:
More Impossible RR News

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The only thing of note in that entire article was the bit about the joint border inspection facility. Baja Rail wants to build it south of the border and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol want it built north of the border. Nothing is going to be done until the location of the inspection facility is agreed upon.
1 days ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

rockhopper
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Looks like a claim marker. You see them all over the south west deserts out in the middle of nowhere.
1 days ago
Topic:
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Maybe we can get in on the 'ground-level' as investors. wink
1 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

ziphius
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Mark,

Just sent you a couple of GPS points for 2 separate places in the area where I've found reliable water (and frogs) in the past. Generally, I won't share the locations of water sources on the open forum, unless they are well-known. I was thinking of going up there this weekend to have a look around, if I do, I'll provide an update. - Jim
1 days ago
Topic:
More Impossible RR News

Buford
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They followed it up with this a day later:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-desert-line-negotiations-20180116-story.html
1 days ago
Topic:
Interesting oddity in the Carrizo Creek Badlands.

Britain
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I was trying to find a way to cut across and get up on the South mesa. While going in all those slots I looked up and there was a wooden pole up on the ridge. The ridge is a 'V notch" type ridge. Someone took some amount of risk placing it there. Or the ridge at one time was thicker. Heres some pictures. The first 3 are taken from the Lost BM hill. Shows the area.
Closer
And you can see the pole on top and theres a pole on the bottom.

Here's the pictures from the backside
And a close-up of the pole
So what do we have here? The lost Carrizo creek gold mine? Another king tut tomb? Curiosity has the cat. Must go back.
edited by Britain on 1/17/2018
2 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
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Here's the other marker. It's in the badlands area. About 1/4 east of Lost and a bit south. I took a lot of Photos from lost into the badland. Theres an oddity of the lone pole on the ridge. On the other side which I didn't go there's another pole at the base.
2 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

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tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
Went in and tagged the Lost BM. Had the great idea of preplanning on cutting through the badland area east of that marker. Go get Gert and see two of the rock squares. Well, the badlands won. Spent 4 hrs in it. Found another Park BM, a pole on top of a high narrow ridge with no way of getting up to it, possible a Geocache. I think if I had my rock hammer at one area a few step hold and I could of went up to the next mesa. They certainly took a swipe at that tamarack. Burned through the center Carrizo, also looks like heavy equipment went in a cut up a bunch. There's plenty more left to be torched.



Would have to agree, east of BM Lost definitely puts the bad in badlands. I climbed up to South Mesa and then followed the NE drainage into Gert and followed that due east bypassing all the fun smile


Well. guess I'll go a bit north next and see if I can get up.to South. The same Idea follow the wash down to Gert.
2 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
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Britain wrote:
Went in and tagged the Lost BM. Had the great idea of preplanning on cutting through the badland area east of that marker. Go get Gert and see two of the rock squares. Well, the badlands won. Spent 4 hrs in it. Found another Park BM, a pole on top of a high narrow ridge with no way of getting up to it, possible a Geocache. I think if I had my rock hammer at one area a few step hold and I could of went up to the next mesa. They certainly took a swipe at that tamarack. Burned through the center Carrizo, also looks like heavy equipment went in a cut up a bunch. There's plenty more left to be torched.



Would have to agree, east of BM Lost definitely puts the bad in badlands. I climbed up to South Mesa and then followed the NE drainage into Gert and followed that due east bypassing all the fun smile
2 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
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Went in and tagged the Lost BM. Had the great idea of preplanning on cutting through the badland area east of that marker. Go get Gert and see two of the rock squares. Well, the badlands won. Spent 4 hrs in it. Found another Park BM, a pole on top of a high narrow ridge with no way of getting up to it, possible a Geocache. I think if I had my rock hammer at one area a few step hold and I could of went up to the next mesa. They certainly took a swipe at that tamarack. Burned through the center Carrizo, also looks like heavy equipment went in a cut up a bunch. There's plenty more left to be torched.
3 days ago
Topic:
More Impossible RR News

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Buford wrote:
but this time it will be different.
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3 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

MarkG
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Well I went out there today to have a look and check out the spring. I might not have gone down far enough but I only found a few small pools and a lot of damp sand.



I spotted a gate on the road in Google Earth and planned to park there. That would have made it just a 1.5 mile hike to the spring. But I didn't see the gate a mile and a half earlier on the road (because it was open the day LANDSAT flew over). That made my hike a bit longer than I had planned and so I didn't go bush-whacking way down to the bottom end of where the trees grow. Might be more water down lower.

The terrain here is probably a bit more rugged than I want for a backpacking trip. Still it sure was a nice day out there having lunch on a big rock overlooking the spring with the Santa Rosas off in the distance.

3 days ago
Topic:
McCain Valley Sunrise Power Link

Buford
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I was in McCain Valley today. What a mess. Got stuck behind a 10+ truck convoy. Had to wait for roadwork as well. At least the Sacatone overlook is still scenic. Saw some sheep on the desert floor earlier in the day.
edited by Buford on 1/15/2018
3 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

Buford
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Nice point! In all my desert time I have yet to see one that good.
3 days ago
Topic:
More Impossible RR News

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but this time it will be different.
3 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

tommy750
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Yeah, nice overnight trip. Think those booze bottles were stealthy mouse traps. Able to squeeze in but too slippery to get out. Those tunnel bypass roads seem to be especially attractive to chollas for some reason. Here's a couple more pics:

DSN Point2 by tomteske, on Flickr

Sheep Bones by tomteske, on Flickr

Above the Rail by tomteske, on Flickr
3 days ago
Topic:
More Impossible RR News

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dsefcik wrote:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-desert-line-20171221-story.html

ROFLMAO



"...freight running from Tijuana to Plaster City by 2020." Sounds legit to me!
3 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

tekewin
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Looks like an interesting trip. A lot of history in some of those photos. What is that animal skeleton? Some kind of rodent?
4 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

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Britain wrote:
The last picture, that little section of the trail..boy nailed me with cholla. On the way back I went around the other side of that hill!
Yeah, we did a loop and dropped down into Indian Hill and back to the cars.
4 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

Britain
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Topic: Carrizo Gorge East Side
The last picture, that little section of the trail..boy nailed me with cholla. On the way back I went around the other side of that hill!
4 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Gorge East Side

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Topic: Carrizo Gorge East Side
Tom and I did a 2 day backpack on the east side of the tracks, poking around the old RR camps.















4 days ago
Topic:
All Year Water Sources?

Rocko1
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Are there any year round water sources in AB? I thought the spring at Palm Springs and Dos Cabezas were flowing all year, are there any other reliable sources?
4 days ago
Topic:
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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-desert-line-20171221-story.html

ROFLMAO
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

MarkG
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Thanks guys, that's helpful info. Maybe I'll make an exploratory day hike to the Sheep Canyon spring area to check it out before I bet my life on it. For the backpacking trip, much will probably depend on how much it rains between now and February.
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

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There was a large grow site bust up there several years ago, you will probably still find encampment debris in the upper reaches of Sheep cyn. Can't say if there is water now but in general there is water in those areas. Several years ago there was water at the spring above sheep cyn.
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

rockhopper
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Bucksnort mountian area is the same area of that missing hiker from several years back. The only reason I am saying this is. I did a Google earth search of Bucksnort Mtn. and the story of the missing hiker came up. I was going to join the search, but something came up. Maybe you'll find a clue. I was going to search the creek beds assuming he was going for water. It was a drought year. The area can be pretty dry away from the rains but we are in winter and February can get wet so you may be in luck. Grow sites? Just keep an eye out. Cheers.
edited by rockhopper on 1/14/2018
edited by rockhopper on 1/15/2018
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

Buford
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Check out some of the pct water resource pages. I don’t have any links handy but have stumbled on those pages in the past researching trips Near the pct. A google search should bring them up. Where there is water, there might be grow sites you don’t want to find.
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

MarkG
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Thanks DH. I can comment about Boulder Alley as I was just in Collins Valley yesterday. It was graded in 2017 and it's nothing now. You could get through with a Subaru. In fact I left Collins Valley because there were too many people out there.

But the trip I'm looking to make would be hiking in from the top, Lost Valley Road, and not necessarily descending into the canyons beyond where I might find water. Mostly I want to explore the area above the canyons.
4 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

DHeuschele
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I have not been to that area in a few years but sheep and cougar usually have water. Hopefully someone who has been there this season could provide more recent info and possibly include condition of Boulder Ally. I would like to make it into one or both of those canyons this year but my next trip is already planned to Domelands (I went less than a month ago but different group of people).
5 days ago
Topic:
Bucksnort Area Backpacking

MarkG
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I'm looking at possibilities for a week-long backpacking trip in February and would like to check out the Bucksnort Mountain area, something around the upper reaches of Cougar, Sheep or Salvador Canyon that I could hike into from Lost Valley Road. Does anyone know of any reliable water sources in that area? The Bucksnort Mountain Quadrangle shows an unnamed spring at the bottom, at the top end of Sheep Canyon and there's certainly an outcropping of trees and plants there in Google Earth but I know that doesn't mean you'll find water. Any info, thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated!

Mark
6 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

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Topic: Borrego Rainbow
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7 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

tekewin
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Topic: Borrego Rainbow
Wow, perfect shot!
7 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

tekewin
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Buford wrote:
I too thought the view from the “other” Sombrero was much better.

There was a register on the real Sombrero in February 2017. We had a hard time finding it. It was near the slightly lower summit block, not the one with the crack climb.
edited by Buford on 1/11/2018



Yeah, love the views from False.
7 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

Buford
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Topic: Borrego Rainbow
Nice! Montezuma grade area always has the best rainbows during storms. I have seen more good rainbows there over the years than anywhere else.
7 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

Buford
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I too thought the view from the “other” Sombrero was much better.

There was a register on the real Sombrero in February 2017. We had a hard time finding it. It was near the slightly lower summit block, not the one with the crack climb.
edited by Buford on 1/11/2018
8 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Badlands

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Thanks for the info, Britain. Tom
8 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

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8 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

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That is a great picture!! Thanks for posting that. I really need to get out there soon.

rockhopper wrote:
Headed out last week for some hot spring soaking in Desert Hot springs at the request of my wife. Also visited with some retiree friends in Borrego springs. On the way back to the coast, heading Into the "Storm" I took this photo heading up Montezuma grade.


8 days ago
Topic:
Borrego Rainbow

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Topic: Borrego Rainbow
Headed out last week for some hot spring soaking in Desert Hot springs at the request of my wife. Also visited with some retiree friends in Borrego springs. On the way back to the coast, heading Into the "Storm" I took this photo heading up Montezuma grade.


8 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Badlands

Britain
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Topic: Carrizo Badlands
I found the story of that tractor. From Roundranchingfeatures. It was in Part III.
At Carrizo in the 1950’s, Buster McCain cleared some land and planted alfalfa. (1956 Ranger Reports) The tractor he used to accomplish this remains in the area, on the other side of “Clay Hill”, at the old Graves camp.
To irrigate his field, Buster created a berm around the bottom of the east side of clay Hill. The plan was for rain run-off to be channeled to a small earthen dammed reservoir he had constructed at the southern end of the hill.
Consequently, this activity is what destroyed a large portion of what remained of the Carrizo Stage Station.
edited by Britain on 1/10/2018
8 days ago
Topic:
Cattle and Anza Borrego

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Topic: Cattle and Anza Borrego
Probably made a big impact on the Native Americans. I've been finding barb wire abouts. Seems like at one time that Devils canyon at the desert was also fenced off. There's a pile of barb wire on a sand hill at the bottom. Found this corral. Its to the left of the tracks. Its clear this was put in after the tracks were placed.


Close up of the Pen.

GE look down


This article on the early cattle cowboys has some interesting reading along with some Native American notes.
http://sohosandiego.org/warners/images/240yearsofranching.pdf
edited by Britain on 1/10/2018
edited by Britain on 1/10/2018
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

tekewin
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RobMay wrote:
I used Greg Gerlach and Patrick ONeill's gps tracks. I like to load multiple tracks so I have options. It's the same route you describe. I camped on the small ridgeline due North of the lowest pass you cross over. The plan was to hike Stage BM the next morning but that didn't happen. I hiked Villager/Rabbit/Mile High four days prior and I wasn't fully recovered from that hike. I found a lot of pottery shards so I spent way too much time exploring, and I deviated from the gps tracks going up Sawtooth and summited from the South-West side of the peak. Huge mistake. I was thinking about leaving Groan as my last just because I feel like the name is an apt one to finish on!



OK, cool. Names like Groan are great! The pain benchmarks, ha. Groan, Gasp, Moan, Puff, Grunt.
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

RobMay
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Hey Rob,

Thanks for the kind words. I've gotten so much from other people reports, the least I can do is share what I find. I enjoy writing reports as soon as I can so I don't forget details.

So, how did you approach Red Top? I was planning to start from North Indian Canyon Road (as Daren's suggested) and go over the lowest pass in the Terra Blanca, then up the gully between Red Top and the Sawtooth high point. I think it will be the toughest hike on the San Diego Peaks list and I want to save it for last.



I used Greg Gerlach and Patrick ONeill's gps tracks. I like to load multiple tracks so I have options. It's the same route you describe. I camped on the small ridgeline due North of the lowest pass you cross over. The plan was to hike Stage BM the next morning but that didn't happen. I hiked Villager/Rabbit/Mile High four days prior and I wasn't fully recovered from that hike. I found a lot of pottery shards so I spent way too much time exploring, and I deviated from the gps tracks going up Sawtooth and summited from the South-West side of the peak. Huge mistake. I was thinking about leaving Groan as my last just because I feel like the name is an apt one to finish on!
edited by RobMay on 1/10/2018
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

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dsefcik wrote:
We did a loop hike once from Indian Valley up and over False, down into Canebrake and then circled back out via the low saddle just east of False.
I lost my GPS going down into Canebrake so on a different trip I did the reverse of that loop looking for it. We have done many variations of that coming in from McCain.


Thanks for links to your trips. I did a forum search for "false sombrero" and didn't find them before. Now I see the loop you did from the first trip. Tough way to get into the Inner Pasture. Amazing photos. The combs were long gone, too.


dsefcik wrote:

I have seen that chain at Sombrero before, no idea what it is for. Is the register still missing? It used to be an ammo box chained to the top boulders but went missing several years ago.

Great trip report, thanks for sharing



I could not find a register on Sombrero. I climbed the second boulder partly to see if the register was up there. No register, but the benchmark was a bonus. I look forward to finding your name in more SD registers smile
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

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ziphius wrote:
Crack climbing without a crash mat? 😊 I did Red Top a few years ago (2012), starting at Agua Caliente, through Moonlight Canyon, camped in Inner Pasture, then ascended Red Top early via the WNW slope in the shade. My mistake was spending too much time bushwhacking in the drainage that approaches Red Top from the south end of Inner Pasture.



The crack was only 12-13' with no exposure below, but I did have an adrenaline buzz for a while after. Thanks for the tips on Red Top. Maybe I'll stick to ridge lines.
9 days ago
Topic:
Jacumba Jims Canyon

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Interesting area for sure and plenty of history to go with it. I never could find anything definitive about who JJ was. Will have to look for that shack next time we are out there.
9 days ago
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Sombrero and False Sombrero

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Topic: Sombrero and False Sombrero
We did a loop hike once from Indian Valley up and over False, down into Canebrake and then circled back out via the low saddle just east of False.

I lost my GPS going down into Canebrake so on a different trip I did the reverse of that loop looking for it. We have done many variations of that coming in from McCain.

I have seen that chain at Sombrero before, no idea what it is for. Is the register still missing? It used to be an ammo box chained to the top boulders but went missing several years ago.

Great trip report, thanks for sharing
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 679
Nice trip report. Crack climbing without a crash mat? 😊 I did Red Top a few years ago (2012), starting at Agua Caliente, through Moonlight Canyon, camped in Inner Pasture, then ascended Red Top early via the WNW slope in the shade. My mistake was spending too much time bushwhacking in the drainage that approaches Red Top from the south end of Inner Pasture. Next time, I’d take a more severe and direct route over the boulder and agave spine fields, it would probably require less effort. Lovely summit and views at Red Top. 14.6 miles round-trip. I think any approach that avoids drainages would be fun.
9 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 63
RobMay wrote:
Thank you for posting. I've still got to bag both of these peaks. I hit Red Top and Sawtooth Mountains HP this past weekend. I didn't realize the steepness or the amount of boulder scrambling that was involved. I got my butt kicked and hiked out in the dark. I've been following your blog online and your gps tracks on Peakbagger for some time now. Thank you for all of your hard work! I still haven't figured out how to make the time to blog about hikes I've been on. I feel accomplished if I get photos posted to Facebook for the week. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that you rock!


Hey Rob,

Thanks for the kind words. I've gotten so much from other people reports, the least I can do is share what I find. I enjoy writing reports as soon as I can so I don't forget details.

So, how did you approach Red Top? I was planning to start from North Indian Canyon Road (as Daren's suggested) and go over the lowest pass in the Terra Blanca, then up the gully between Red Top and the Sawtooth high point. I think it will be the toughest hike on the San Diego Peaks list and I want to save it for last.
10 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

RobMay
RobMay
Posts: 13
Thank you for posting. I've still got to bag both of these peaks. I hit Red Top and Sawtooth Mountains HP this past weekend. I didn't realize the steepness or the amount of boulder scrambling that was involved. I got my butt kicked and hiked out in the dark. I've been following your blog online and your gps tracks on Peakbagger for some time now. Thank you for all of your hard work! I still haven't figured out how to make the time to blog about hikes I've been on. I feel accomplished if I get photos posted to Facebook for the week. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that you rock!
10 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 63
tommy750 wrote:

BM Lost is about 1.2 miles north of where Canyon Sin Nombre dumps into Carrizo Creek. Easy hike and nice views. The only other named BMs I know of out in that area are Pelvis, Valle, Leckie and Gert.

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS-Proxy/NGSDataExplorer/ is a good source of info on BMs and I use it all the time



Thanks! Saved for later.
10 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Nevermind your picture from the BM tells all.
10 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
tommy750 wrote:
tekewin wrote:
This was a cool trip. The area around Lost BM looks very interesting. I scanned caltopo around Bow Willow Creek but didn't see Lost on the map. I might have been looking in the wrong place. I noticed the benchmark was placed by the Division of Beaches and Parks. I just saw one of the those marks on top of Sombrero. I guess all of Anza-Borrego is a state park, it's just odd to find those markers in the remote desert.



BM Lost is about 1.2 miles north of where Canyon Sin Nombre dumps into Carrizo Creek. Easy hike and nice views. The only other named BMs I know of out in that area are Pelvis, Valle, Leckie and Gert.

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS-Proxy/NGSDataExplorer/ is a good source of info on BMs and I use it all the time

Gert is north of the Sin exit into Carrizo. In between?
10 days ago
Topic:
Winnebago Revel

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Winnebago Revel
kylekai wrote:
Actually that looks like a Sportsmobile: https://sportsmobile.com They're more expensive usually, and there's a 12+ month wait to get one!

Well, you better get yours before all the parking spaces out here are taken!
10 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
tekewin wrote:
This was a cool trip. The area around Lost BM looks very interesting. I scanned caltopo around Bow Willow Creek but didn't see Lost on the map. I might have been looking in the wrong place. I noticed the benchmark was placed by the Division of Beaches and Parks. I just saw one of the those marks on top of Sombrero. I guess all of Anza-Borrego is a state park, it's just odd to find those markers in the remote desert.



BM Lost is about 1.2 miles north of where Canyon Sin Nombre dumps into Carrizo Creek. Easy hike and nice views. The only other named BMs I know of out in that area are Pelvis, Valle, Leckie and Gert.

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS-Proxy/NGSDataExplorer/ is a good source of info on BMs and I use it all the time
10 days ago
Topic:
Winnebago Revel

kylekai
kylekai
Posts: 78
kylekai
kylekai
Posts: 78
Topic: Winnebago Revel
Actually that looks like a Sportsmobile: https://sportsmobile.com They're more expensive usually, and there's a 12+ month wait to get one!
10 days ago
Topic:
Winnebago Revel

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Winnebago Revel
One was putzing about this week at Moutain Palm Springs area. Photo by Doug Guimond. One expensive ride. Congrats!


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11 days ago
Topic:
Sunrise Trailhead Parking Lot?

RobMay
RobMay
Posts: 13
I parked there overnight last year and backpacked to Scissor Crossings without any problems. I section hiked the PCT up to I-10 last year, parking vehicles at either end of each block of trail, and didn't have any problems.
11 days ago
Topic:
Sunrise Trailhead Parking Lot?

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 39
Can you park overnight here? Thinking about doing an overnighter down the PCT starting at the parking lot.
11 days ago
Topic:
Jacumba Jims Canyon

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Jacumba Jims Canyon
Picture of shack ruins

11 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
Britain wrote:
Took my wife up Jacumba Jims today. Theres twice the amount of water in that spring from a month ago. Hasn't been any rain so to speak.


That’s good news. Thanks.
11 days ago
Topic:
Sombrero and False Sombrero

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 63
I had a great day in the desert bagging a couple more peaks from Indian Valley. The first was Sombrero and there are already several reports on this route so I'll keep it brief. At the top, I found two boulders that were candidates for the high point. The first one (and probably highest by inches) was a class 1 walk up. The other was somewhat difficult. The easiest way I found to get up was to climb a 12' crack using hand jams. Other routes were class 5. On top of the second boulder, I found a benchmark from the Division of Beaches and Parks. I don't think many people find it and it isn't mentioned in most trip reports. 3.5 miles round trip, 2000' gain, 3 hours.


Sombrero and False Sombrero from the road fork



Easiest way up (I think this boulder is probably second highest)



Sombrero benchmark on the second summit block



Found this weird pole and chain on the way down, a few hundred feet below the summit

Next, I drove to the end of the North Indian Canyon Road to tackle False Sombrero. The hike had two parts. The first part was climbing up a rough gully and the second part was a steep sandy slope. The sand was 3" deep and it was like walking on the beach at a 35 degree angle. It was only a mile to the summit, but the route gained 1359' in that one mile. Stiff. The summit block was easy and the register there went back to 1989 and was only a little over half full. I recognized almost half the names. The views were even better than from Sombrero, especially of the Sawtooth Mountains and the Inner Pasture. I hung around the summit for 20-30 minutes, an eternity for me, resting and enjoying the sights and perfect weather. I couldn't help but think of the poor souls in most of the country dealing with sub-freezing and sub-zero temps.



North gully and False Sombrero



Looking down the sandy slope, Sombrero in the background



Indian Valley from False Sombrero



Laguna Mountains, Inner Pasture, Sawtooth and Red Top


Some day!


Hey, I know that name. Via Canebrake!? How does that work? Oh, cliff bar is long gone.

I looked at the topo and could not figure out how to get there from Canebrake without a long approach. Returning was much easier as I casually plunge stepped the sandy slope and scrambled back down the gully. I know I'll be heading back to Indian Valley, but maybe not until next year. 2 miles round trip, 1359' gain, 2.5 hours.


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11 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tekewin
tekewin
Posts: 63
This was a cool trip. The area around Lost BM looks very interesting. I scanned caltopo around Bow Willow Creek but didn't see Lost on the map. I might have been looking in the wrong place. I noticed the benchmark was placed by the Division of Beaches and Parks. I just saw one of the those marks on top of Sombrero. I guess all of Anza-Borrego is a state park, it's just odd to find those markers in the remote desert.
11 days ago
Topic:
Jacumba Jims Canyon

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Jacumba Jims Canyon
After hiking and exploring this area on 2 different packs I have found a few things.

At the beginning of where the water starts, there is this burned area. Looks like a palm caught fire and burned everything in about 20 ft. On the south side of the wall where there is an 8x8 post wrapped in barb wire. I assume that there was a gate here at one time to either keep something in or warning to keep others out.

Further up and on the south side is remnants of a shack. It had a galvanized steel roof.

On page 102 of "All the wild and lonely places " " Jacumba Jims Canyon, a route Jim McCain took cattle down to the desert." I think I read this correctly, Jim McCain drove cattle through this area.

First, the shack wasn't from his time so something else was going on there. I did find a trail switchbacking up the south wall further down. But it really didn't go very far and possibly washed out. Perhaps to a mine. You're not driving cattle on it for sure.

That waterfall before the last palm grove you're not driving cattle over or around it. Even looking at any trails on top doesn't really doesn't lead to any route to pass cattle through. Cattle trails really tear up and leave a trail and there's no sign of any. I would not expect to find any in the stream bed.
Did this place just get washed out? I don't feel any cattle were driven through Jacumba Jims. Who is Jacumba Jim?

Edit "Tule Jim McCain" is probably who the canyon is named after. He was alive in the time of galvanized steel.

A snippet from Mable McCain interview:


Mable: Uh huh, I think she does. Although they are right there where the fire was. Burned right
up close and they hadn’t been there but 3 months. They pay an awful lot of rent. John’s Dad
stayed down at Carrizo Gorge in a little old shack for a long time.


The complete ranchers interviews are here:


http://sohosandiego.org/warners/images/ranchinginterviews.pdf






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12 days ago
Topic:
Rockhouse, Jacumba Jim, Four Frogs and East Fork

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Took my wife up Jacumba Jims today. Theres twice the amount of water in that spring from a month ago. Hasn't been any rain so to speak.
15 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
Interview with Benjamin Madley. Bravo for him. "An American Genocide"
https://www.c-span.org/video/?427014-5/an-american-genocide
15 days ago
Topic:
Best route for hike from Laguna to desert floor?

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 679
Looks like a glider plane.
15 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
ziphius wrote:
Nice detective work on the squares Tom. Thinking the rectangular object is a vehicle that got move around by flash floods? Dead bird is a loggerhead shrike. They are quite uncommon, yet I found a pristine dead one in Inner Pasture a few years ago.


Thanks for the bird info, ziphius. That Deygunos object looks like a vehicle but not sure where it went during that one satellite pass.
16 days ago
Topic:
Pictograph Question

adamsd
adamsd
Posts: 2
adamsd
adamsd
Posts: 2
Topic: Pictograph Question
Thanks for the clarification on Petroglyphs vs Pictographs, it a good distinction to know! I understand that preserving these petroglyphs and pictographs are very important and will make sure to keep it vague on any locations. I appreciate you taking the time to reply and look forward for any information. Thanks!
16 days ago
Topic:
Pictograph Question

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 679
ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 679
Topic: Pictograph Question
Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting. Interesting petroglyphs you've found there. Petroglyphs are generally pecked into stone, as your photos appear to show. In contrast, pictographs are drawn on rock with pigments. A few of the users here will likely chime in, as they have a lot of experience with the rock art in the park. Also, much appreciated that you remained vague about the location, as these rock art panels can be subject to vandalism. We have a general policy here to not reveal locations (or post photos with context that could help someone find a location) of cultural sites. I think your photos show the petroglyphs in a way that would not aid anyone in finding them.
16 days ago
Topic:
Pictograph Question

adamsd
adamsd
Posts: 2
adamsd
adamsd
Posts: 2
Topic: Pictograph Question
Sorry if this is posted in the wrong section Hammer Time

This is my first post and just had a quick question about some pictographs I saw on a recent hike from the Bow Willow campground and wanted to know if anyone had any information on them. I looked a few places online and haven't found anything, so I figured I'd give it a try here. Just wondering if these were done by natives in the area or if they seem like they were added by pioneers? One looks almost Egyptian so definitely intrigued me... anyone know anything about these or have any ideas?


(hope I attached the images right)
17 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
The new edition of Lindsay's book is out.


Did you get this yet? Any major changes? I love the info but the format of the book for me is horrible. I wish it followed the Afoot and Afield style.
edited by Rocko1 on 1/2/2018




I ordered it but haven't got it yet. $14.55 on amazon. Agree, not a big fan of the mileage while driving on a road format of travel guides.
17 days ago
Topic:
Best route for hike from Laguna to desert floor?

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 39
tommy750 wrote:
Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Here’s my trip report on dropping down from the Lagunas via Cottonwood earlier this year: http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic1279-oriflame-to-cottonwood-canyon--day-bp.aspx

You can find a way from the highway down to the top of Cottonwood Canyon looking on Google Earth. As I recall there’s different options depending on how much you enjoy brush smile


Great trip. Do you have any gps coordinates from this trip? Maybe entry/exit point?


If you wanted to do a straight Sunrise Hwy to S2 hike you could park at the lot .8 miles north of the northernmost intersection of Deer Park Rd and Sunrise Hwy, drop down to PCT and head south till you get to a dirt road that leads toward the top of Cottowood Canyon. It will take you to near Butterfield Ranch on S2. Am thinking they will let you park there for a fee. You can easily create your own points on GE or caltopo. Don't have clear entry/exit points since we didn't go your planned route. Hope that helps. Tom



Thanks, I will check out that route. I meant the entry/exit from your specific trip. Just curious that is all.

On another front, did you see the airplane on the map?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/32%C2%B055'50.5%22N+116%C2%B027'50.0%22W/@32.930699,-116.4644482,164m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d32.9306986!4d-116.4639007
17 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 39
Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 39
Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
tommy750 wrote:
The new edition of Lindsay's book is out.

AB by tomteske, on Flickr

https://www.amazon.com/Anza-Borrego-Desert-Region-Complete/dp/0899977790/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514770620&sr=1-1&keywords=anza+borrego+guidebook



Did you get this yet? Any major changes? I love the info but the format of the book for me is horrible. I wish it followed the Afoot and Afield style.
edited by Rocko1 on 1/2/2018
17 days ago
Topic:
Oriflame to Cottonwood Canyon 3 day BP

Rocko1
Rocko1
Posts: 39
tommy750 wrote:
sddarkman619 wrote:
what shelter is that? a Tarptent? Looking for a shelter.
where did you park vehicles so they weren't messed with?
Nice writeup thanks for sharing!
edited by sddarkman619 on 5/20/2017


Got an altaplex tent from zpacks.com last year and really like it. It weighs in at 18 oz making it lighter than a lot of bivy sacks. If you're not too tall, their solplex is less than a pound. I like tents because they keep bugs away but obviously there's pros and cons.

We left our vehicles at the Camp Hark ruins. Never have had any problems leaving a vehicle at local sites but not sure about others' experiences.



Those are very nice tents. I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of coin on a shelter.
18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

ziphius
ziphius
Posts: 679
Nice detective work on the squares Tom. Thinking the rectangular object is a vehicle that got move around by flash floods? Dead bird is a loggerhead shrike. They are quite uncommon, yet I found a pristine dead one in Inner Pasture a few years ago.
18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Squares seem to run through the old bombing range. Wonder if they were at one time a lookout posts. Seem to be on high ground.
18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
Britain wrote:
Someone dragging it around?


I was thinking Mother Nature but who knows.
18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Someone dragging it around? Squares, did you put boots on the ground to find them all?
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18 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
rockhopper wrote:
Looks like perfect weather for desert exploring. Thanks for the trip report and good investigation of the "squares" alignment.




Was indeed nice weather. The squares were an unexpected find which is not super uncommon on GE. Right next to one of them, I noticed this weird vehicle sized anomoly in Deguynos Canyon. It shows up in 2012, is gone by 2014 and reappears 1/4 mile downstream by 10/2016 and remains in the same place in 6/2017. Someone must know what it is since there appears to be lots of tracks up that wash on all the satellite images.

5-27-12 Overview by tomteske, on Flickr

5-27-12 by tomteske, on Flickr

11-8-14 Overview by tomteske, on Flickr

6-30-17 Overview by tomteske, on Flickr

10-13-16 by tomteske, on Flickr

Yeah, I spend a lot of time on GE smile
18 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
The new edition of Lindsay's book is out.

AB by tomteske, on Flickr

https://www.amazon.com/Anza-Borrego-Desert-Region-Complete/dp/0899977790/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514770620&sr=1-1&keywords=anza+borrego+guidebook
19 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

rockhopper
rockhopper
Posts: 380
Looks like perfect weather for desert exploring. Thanks for the trip report and good investigation of the "squares" alignment.
20 days ago
Topic:
Your Go To AB Book?

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
Topic: Your Go To AB Book?
tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Just purchased this book. Seems apropos during our current political climate to review the local details of our so called Manifest Destiny. Doubt it will be an easy read.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/revealing-the-history-of-genocide-against-californias-native-americans


Ordered.


About 1/4 through my copy and difficult to comprehend the genocidal level treatment Native Americans endured at the hands of "enlightened" Westerners. Impossible to exaggerate the suffering endured.

Should get my copy today. My 5th generation grandfather donated cattle to the tail of tears Indians 1836 was a bad winter, 5th gen grandmother died (per bible script notes on cattle)when they got to Missouri. Lots of sadness with the native American culture.
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20 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
That marsh has sort of dried up recently. There was a fire in the area, happened by and some folks were doing some reclaim. Guess the areas closed now. Need to revisit the area. Thanks for sharing.

Edit: So that was a planned burn ?
edited by Britain on 12/29/2017


Here's something from Helix, the company hired by Pattern Energy to plan the mitigation, regarding the prescribed burns. Think most of it is completed. Was dark and could really get a feel for what was changed since the last time out.
Edit: Yes they burned up pretty much everything there. Closed it all off. After the 7.2 earthquake, most of the swamp water went underground.

Carrizo Marsh Mitigation.pdf by tomteske, on Flickr

I think the burn was in 2013 or 2014. I seen the burn from the freeway. I think I know where the Lost BM is but cannot find anything on it. Spent some time in Red Rock Canyon via South Mesa. Found the Leckie BM by accident. The squares are really interesting. May go look for them.
edited by Britain on 12/29/2017
20 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

tommy750
tommy750
Posts: 766
Britain wrote:
That marsh has sort of dried up recently. There was a fire in the area, happened by and some folks were doing some reclaim. Guess the areas closed now. Need to revisit the area. Thanks for sharing.

Edit: So that was a planned burn ?
edited by Britain on 12/29/2017


Here's something from Helix, the company hired by Pattern Energy to plan the mitigation, regarding the prescribed burns. Think most of it is completed. Was dark and couldn't really get a feel for what was changed since the last time out.

Carrizo Marsh Mitigation.pdf by tomteske, on Flickr
edited by tommy750 on 12/29/2017
20 days ago
Topic:
Carrizo Creek, BM LOST and South Mesa

Britain
Britain
Posts: 252
That marsh has sort of dried up recently. There was a fire in the area, happened by and some folks were doing some reclaim. Guess the areas closed now. Need to revisit the area. Thanks for sharing.

Edit: So that was a planned burn ?
edited by Britain on 12/29/2017




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